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national security contributor, fran townsend, is a member of the cia. cedrick layton member of the joipt staff. what are those consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> well, it is, look, the most recent information suggests they're preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem because now, a military strike could trigger the dissemination of such weapons. what you have to do now is is get the timely tactical intelligence to interrupt the decision cycle. that is get between assad and the individual who presses the button to launch that missile. that's a very ask, very difficult, but now, that's the position we're really in. >> just to be honest, hasn't really seemed to be at least totally aware of everything happening every step of the way here. >> okay, except there was a wmd commission that looked at the failures in iraq and strengthened the committee. there are standards for assessing the credibility of sources. for how an analyst assesses a source and the in
national security contributor, fran townsend, is a member of the cia. cedrick layton member of the joipt staff. what are those consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> well, it is, look, the most recent information suggests they're preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem because now, a military strike could trigger the dissemination of such weapons. what you have to do now is is get the...
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national security contributor fran townsend is a member of the cia and homeland security external advisory board and colonel cedric layton is a member of the staffs. what are the consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> it is. the most recent information suggests they're actually preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing sarin gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem, right? now a military strike could inadvertently trigger the dissemination of such weapons, what you have to do is get the intelligence to interrupt the decision cycle. get between assad and the individual who presses the button to launch that missile. that's a very big ask from the intelligence community and very difficult. that's the positive we're really in. >> the intelligence community which to be honest hasn't really seemed to be at least, you know, totally aaware of everything happening every step of the way here. >> okay, except there's been -- there was a commission that looked at the failures in iraq and strengthened the intelligence community. there are stand
national security contributor fran townsend is a member of the cia and homeland security external advisory board and colonel cedric layton is a member of the staffs. what are the consequences? is the u.s. going to passing the point of no return here? >> it is. the most recent information suggests they're actually preparing to be able to launch these warheads containing sarin gas and other chemical weapons. that's a problem, right? now a military strike could inadvertently trigger the...
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special operations command has become almost an equivalent to the cia invisible army. you ask about w w it was a nightmare for me and personally as a documentary that we use we get to an untold history but mr bush jr was the ultimate everything that could go wrong could go wrong after two thousand it was him everything that happened to a two thousand and eleven was misinterpreted and rendered bigger and more hysterical but it's still he was part of a process that had seemed to have been accelerating anyway the process of militarizing the plan bush did it badly obama does it a lot better. so the movie that you made that you say i was too sympathetic to i was never sympathetic to i was empathetic the difference is dramatist i am a drum it's in that case i'm not making a documentary i did a movie in which we walk in his shoes we we understand how this not very deep thinking man who resembles harry truman in my mind a bit becomes president because he's the son of a president and his drives are very simple to me and i think there's a human in the film at the same time a lit
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this evil entity almost the supernatural entity or you know one point the movie the director of the cia is even threatening to kill nixon what do you say to people who say that you were too forgiving of bush and your movie w but i don't see that in nixon that the cia director tried to kill dick said we would that we hinted at there was a controversy between helms richard helms and nixon and part of the problems was that cuba papers and what you are it's a thirty story the cia was we nicknamed sometimes capitalisms invisible. army goes back to nine hundred forty seven and its creation in the anti-communist red scare and the cia has misused its mandate for so long and still is in the in with a drone attack it has its own drones now and its targeted assassinations it's essentially i've always regarded the cia as a criminal organization of like a mafia operating inside the us government scaring presidents because they have separate information and it's the same time they they've been battered they've lost the pentagon has taken over a lot of the old cia activities with and jason joint speci
this evil entity almost the supernatural entity or you know one point the movie the director of the cia is even threatening to kill nixon what do you say to people who say that you were too forgiving of bush and your movie w but i don't see that in nixon that the cia director tried to kill dick said we would that we hinted at there was a controversy between helms richard helms and nixon and part of the problems was that cuba papers and what you are it's a thirty story the cia was we nicknamed...
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our cia are out there all over the world but they have to get information. they collect it and analyze it. look at what happened in benghazi. that's another issue. we knew that it was a hot spot, but we didn't have intelligence that they were going to attack. >> greta: therein proves my point. that was another intelligence where we might have the hardest working people in the world, the best in the world but the fact is intelligence failures do happen with even the best. that's why it's very hard to have a lot of sort of comfort in terms of what happens with these, you know, chemical weapons should assad leave. >> no question. >> greta: mistakes happen. >> we can't be the sheriff for the whole world, so we have to work with other countries an other allies. as serious as the situation is in syria, we've got to work with russia. >> greta: let me ask you a quick question. you've actually met president assad. tell me your impression. >> on our way to iraq we had to go -- we were asked to go and stop by to see assad. this was right after, maybe six months after p
our cia are out there all over the world but they have to get information. they collect it and analyze it. look at what happened in benghazi. that's another issue. we knew that it was a hot spot, but we didn't have intelligence that they were going to attack. >> greta: therein proves my point. that was another intelligence where we might have the hardest working people in the world, the best in the world but the fact is intelligence failures do happen with even the best. that's why it's...
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cia will be playing a larger role. so you ought to head the cia. that's the new order of things in washington. it's not necessarily the way things are supposed to be. tim weiner, who wrote the history of the cia, gets at that fact in "the new york times" this week writing "before 9/11 the cia's service never assassinated anybody itself. since then drone air strikes against suspected foreign terrorists have killed some 2,500 people including civilians without public discussion in congress. intelligence is the hard work of trying to know your enemy. it's not the dirty business of political murder." what the cia has been through is a big change. it's not one we debated much as a country. this meeting between fox news and the man they were trying to line up to become the republican nominee shows us the degree to which this is the common understanding of insiders in washington. while those who are supposed to be debating what our posture is and how things get done, have been left out of the discussion. all but for the style section leaking this tape as
cia will be playing a larger role. so you ought to head the cia. that's the new order of things in washington. it's not necessarily the way things are supposed to be. tim weiner, who wrote the history of the cia, gets at that fact in "the new york times" this week writing "before 9/11 the cia's service never assassinated anybody itself. since then drone air strikes against suspected foreign terrorists have killed some 2,500 people including civilians without public discussion in...
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>> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in fact, an attack launched by al qaeda. now, speaking to reporters in ireland on one of her last trips as secretary of state, hillary laughed off questions about a potential presidential run in 2016, saying she's just too busy with her current job to think long term. >> i'm right now too focused on what i'm doing to complete all the work we have ahead of us before i do step down, and i am frankly looking forward to returning to living a life that enjoys a lot of simple pleasures and gives me time for family and friends and other pursuits. >> but as we told you yesterday, the majority of americans are hoping clinton doesn't stay out of politics for too long. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows 57% would vote for clinton in a 2016 presidential bid. >>> turning now to news overseas. all eyes are on two tense situations developing by the hour that could have ser
>> that, of course, comes in direct conflict with what general david petraeus, the director of the cia, told the committee in the senate where he said they knew immediately after the attack, the next day, that it was, in fact, an attack launched by al qaeda. now, speaking to reporters in ireland on one of her last trips as secretary of state, hillary laughed off questions about a potential presidential run in 2016, saying she's just too busy with her current job to think long term....
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just even in the end game, cia, when i became deputy national security advisor in january of 1989, cia was cometology, was coming to me with so much information about how the regime was collapsing economically, how gorbachev essentially had destroyed the old stalinist economy but hadn't put anything in its place that i went to president obama and -- president bush in july of 1989, bush authorized me to form a very secret planning group, a contingency planning group to prepare for the clams of the soviet union, and the person from the nsc staff, that general scowcroft and i put in charge was a young woman named condoleezza rice .. so two and a half years before the soviet union collapsed, the united states was beginning contingency planning to goal that collapse. the first briefing that i ever heard where i heard the cia tell the president of the united states this regime cannot last, and it is not in the distant future. it is on its last legs. >> rose: that was in -- >> 1985, before his first meeting with gorbachev. >> rose: let me move to china, in the few minutes remaining, the presi
just even in the end game, cia, when i became deputy national security advisor in january of 1989, cia was cometology, was coming to me with so much information about how the regime was collapsing economically, how gorbachev essentially had destroyed the old stalinist economy but hadn't put anything in its place that i went to president obama and -- president bush in july of 1989, bush authorized me to form a very secret planning group, a contingency planning group to prepare for the clams of...
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if tom donilon were to move to the cia or one of the other posts that's now likely to be open, it would be possible for susan rice to become national security adviser and to be that close with the president. >> and andrea, is there any indication that the upcoming hearings on december 20th had any affect on this coming out today? >> well, i think that there needed to be some resolution before those hearings because those hearings are going to be very difficult as it is, and that would have been a preview, only a taste of what it would have been like to have confirmation hearings. also the signal that john mccain told people he wanted to ask the leadership to put him on the foreign relations committee. he is the senior person on the armed services committee, and for him to then be on foreign relations as well meant he would have been in a key role as someone on the committee confirming her or any other secretary of state. so that was going to be difficult. this was personal. this is where it gets back to the 2008 campaign and things that susan rice said as a combatant in that campaign on
if tom donilon were to move to the cia or one of the other posts that's now likely to be open, it would be possible for susan rice to become national security adviser and to be that close with the president. >> and andrea, is there any indication that the upcoming hearings on december 20th had any affect on this coming out today? >> well, i think that there needed to be some resolution before those hearings because those hearings are going to be very difficult as it is, and that...
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the cia analyst is said to be in her 30s. she served in pakistan. by many accounts, she was instrumental in finding where osama bin laden was hiding. >> everybody describes her as a very headstrong and even combative personality at times. >> reporter: "washington post" reporter greg miller says the cia targeting expert who found bin laden has become a target herself. >> she has rankled colleagues in scuffles over credit for the operation. >> reporter: former navy s.e.a.l. matt, who was part of the raid, described her in a "60 minutes" interview. >> i can't give her enough credit. in my opinion, she kind of teed up this whole thing and just wicked smart, kind of feisty. >> reporter: miller says the analyst received a cash bonus for her work but still felt slighted. >> she got a more prestigious award than most but nevertheless was put out basically that others were included on the list. >> reporter: the cia insists no single person found bin laden, telling cnn quote, hundreds of analysts, operators and many others played key roles in the hunt. but th
the cia analyst is said to be in her 30s. she served in pakistan. by many accounts, she was instrumental in finding where osama bin laden was hiding. >> everybody describes her as a very headstrong and even combative personality at times. >> reporter: "washington post" reporter greg miller says the cia targeting expert who found bin laden has become a target herself. >> she has rankled colleagues in scuffles over credit for the operation. >> reporter: former...
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concern and there have been many reports and plenty of speculation about who might be helping north cia korea in their technology. of course it is almost impossible to get information out of north korea. it is an incredibly isolated, closed regime. the information officially we get from that country is through its state-run media. so nothing gets out of north korea unless it is choreographed through k cna, the state-run news agency and the state-run television and it is highly choreographed and many would say propaganda. what we hear from north korea is what north korea wants the world to hear. it is very difficult to get an indication on that. here in seoul, one senior government official told me they are concerned, even with failure that north korea carrying out with rocket launches they are still learning. they are learning from mistake and can get better. this is a trial and era for north korea. the more they do, even if they are failures in the yeas of the international community they are still learning from them. >> paula hancocks reporting live in south korea. we have this just i
concern and there have been many reports and plenty of speculation about who might be helping north cia korea in their technology. of course it is almost impossible to get information out of north korea. it is an incredibly isolated, closed regime. the information officially we get from that country is through its state-run media. so nothing gets out of north korea unless it is choreographed through k cna, the state-run news agency and the state-run television and it is highly choreographed and...
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chad sweet is a former cia director of operations. and ken baer is a white housed a virus. todd carmichael is the host of dangerous grounds. howard kurtz will join us. and economic diane swonk rounds things out for us today. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome, everybody. let's begin with developing news this morning. a tsunami threat to tell you about was just lifted in japan. the country was rocked by a powerful 7.3 magnitude earthquake. it hit off the coast of tokyo. the buildings there shaking. you could see some of the video showing the degree to which they were shaking. alex, what's the latest? >> reporter: it has been a very, very tense few hours here in japan after you mentioned a 7.3 magnitude earthquake striking late here in the day on friday. but just in the past 90 minutes or so, the all clear has been given. the tsunami warning has been lifted. that's great news for the people here. there's no signs of any significant damage. no reports of any deaths. just a few injuries at this point. we also have to keep in mind the nuclear power plan
chad sweet is a former cia director of operations. and ken baer is a white housed a virus. todd carmichael is the host of dangerous grounds. howard kurtz will join us. and economic diane swonk rounds things out for us today. "starting point" begins right now. >>> good morning. welcome, everybody. let's begin with developing news this morning. a tsunami threat to tell you about was just lifted in japan. the country was rocked by a powerful 7.3 magnitude earthquake. it hit off...
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the cia said they need to protect sources and methods. the congressional committees are seeking the raw e-mail traffic to assess how and why the talking points were changeed. >> reporter: was there a problem with communication between, say the fbi doing the investigation, cia doing some of the intelligence analysis, the state department who was responsible for some of the security. was this, again, a stove piping problem of a different kind? >> and aside from the talking points, lawmakers want definitive information on the level of premeditation by the terrorists and how early it was known. >>> the wikileaks trial will resume today and will determine if bradley manning's case will be dismissed. he claims the nine-month free trial confinent -- to punishment. he faces charges, including aiding the enemy and if convicted, he could face love in prison. >>> hillary clinton is at the final foreign nato summit. the secretary said there is an urgent need for egyptian president morsi to talk more with his opposition and relieve the volatile tensio
the cia said they need to protect sources and methods. the congressional committees are seeking the raw e-mail traffic to assess how and why the talking points were changeed. >> reporter: was there a problem with communication between, say the fbi doing the investigation, cia doing some of the intelligence analysis, the state department who was responsible for some of the security. was this, again, a stove piping problem of a different kind? >> and aside from the talking points,...
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we've had no woman ever heading up the pentagon, cia, or treasury. on the other hand, we've only had one male as labor secretary in the last 26 years. pop quiz. >> robert reich. >> robert reich. and the chief of staff has always, always, been a white male. going after, as to your point, the black female potential secretary of state after that -- >> -- after the election we just had. it's impossible -- i think you can't divorce any of these things from any of the other things. >> quick panel, yes or no, does susan rice get the nomination? >> yes. i would say. >> yes. >> i have no idea. i have no idea. i'm out of the prediction game. >> one more. >> no. >> i want to thank you on that note to nicolas, joan, maggie, and rana. that is the end of the show. that's all for now. alex wagner returns tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific when she is joined by chris hayes, melissa harris-perry, professor michael eric dyson, and dr. zinc emmanuel. until then, you can find alex on facebook.com/now with alex. andrea mitchell reports is next. good afternoon, a
we've had no woman ever heading up the pentagon, cia, or treasury. on the other hand, we've only had one male as labor secretary in the last 26 years. pop quiz. >> robert reich. >> robert reich. and the chief of staff has always, always, been a white male. going after, as to your point, the black female potential secretary of state after that -- >> -- after the election we just had. it's impossible -- i think you can't divorce any of these things from any of the other things....
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this type of information from the national intelligence program we don't forsee spy agencies like the cia there's a black budget is in the tens of billions of dollars a year with no disclosure whatsoever all right fine i get it certain things are top secret for national security purposes but we're potentially talking about hundreds of billions of dollars being spent here spent under cloak of utter secrecy all but a handful of congressmen actually see these budgets in action and were expected to front the bill without asking any questions polices specially when you know about things like the national reconnaissance office who was caught hoarding funds under their black budget and they were caught having secretly spent three hundred million dollars building a new office complex in virginia this year the military is black budget range between fifty one to fifty two billion dollars allegedly down from the fifty six to fifty seven billion spent over the last two. years give or take a billion since there's no way to really tell or know any more so check this out our country is running you defic
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possibly for the pentagon or cia. we don't know how serious that is. so far, it's all the same circle. >> that's right. >> musical chairs. >> musical chairs. the knock a lot of people in washington give to the obama white house it is too insular and he doesn't pull the kinds of expertise he needs into this white house. there's an opportunity in this second term for him to shake things up a little bit. you know, maybe to bring in new players, new faces who have been there from the clinton white house, and kind of help the dynamic and help the governing because a lot of people on capitol hill even democrats will tell you, he's not good at governing and building coalitions. maybe if he brought some folks in who knew how to do that there would be more give and take on the fiscal cliff issue, on the tax reform and entitlement reforms that we get next year, and there is a sense he really could use a bit of some fresh blood to make things a little easier going forward. >> chris, susan, and ari, thank you very much for all joining us. and the jobs report, more
possibly for the pentagon or cia. we don't know how serious that is. so far, it's all the same circle. >> that's right. >> musical chairs. >> musical chairs. the knock a lot of people in washington give to the obama white house it is too insular and he doesn't pull the kinds of expertise he needs into this white house. there's an opportunity in this second term for him to shake things up a little bit. you know, maybe to bring in new players, new faces who have been there from...
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and so amazingly enough, when the house of unamerican activities got going, some cia operatives found themselves right in the line of fire because they had so many connections to the democratic socialist left across europe, the mccarthy items were very worried by these guys .. and some were professors who had left leaning tendencies themselves but they were democrats,. >> rose: wha and what do you mae of the french who came to the real situation that is soviet union was not what they believed it to be, you know, french intellectuals? >> they rather took their time over this realization. i mean by now we all have the hindsight benefit there of. but i would like to think i would have dipped out somewhere around the stalinist -- >> rose: yes that would be a place to say not what -- >> if you didn't get it then you should got it around the nazi -- >> later, then there was -- >> german uprising of 53, there was hungary in 56 and yet still, i mean, the great historian says i never left the party, it left me. >> rose: right, right. >> but still it lingered on i mean all of the great anti-com
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that was a decision made by the cia, the managers of the cia. i mean, certainly any agency of the u.s. government which has a big success would probably want an accurate portrayal of that success. i think that was why the filmmakers met with this particular woman. as fran points out, there is actually -- there were men involved in this. it isn't just a female agent that did everything. the film suggests that a female agent played an essential role. there's another person that goes by the name of john who has some press attention in the past who was equally important so let's be accurate about this. >> fran, i want to ask you, i want to read a quote to you that was in this "the washington post" piece from a former cia official describing the environment at the agency. this is what the quote says. "the agency is a funny place. very insular. it's like middle schoolers with clearances." i want to get your take on that how does the cia culture play into this controversy surrounding this woman now? >> no question it's a very insular place by its very
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it's the seeger report the cia doesn't want you to see details about the enhanced interrogation tactics used on terrorist suspects six thousand pages of u.s. military secrets that cody elude the public eye indefinitely and had a report from capitol hill and speaking of secrets wal-mart has a few of its own the company shelled out millions to lobby for the government to roll back regulations that's also good at keeping scandals quiet coming up a look at wal-mart's big business blitz. and putting a face to the afghan war a select u.n. committee has asked me to that hundreds of afghan teens were held in a military prison many of them under the age of sixteen and seized from their homes are to questions why these youth were held without being charged with any crimes. it's tuesday december eleventh eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r.t.e. . we begin today with a report that could shed some light on the dark practice of torture and this week the senate intelligence committee is said to vote on a report that details the use of enhanced interrogation techniques u
it's the seeger report the cia doesn't want you to see details about the enhanced interrogation tactics used on terrorist suspects six thousand pages of u.s. military secrets that cody elude the public eye indefinitely and had a report from capitol hill and speaking of secrets wal-mart has a few of its own the company shelled out millions to lobby for the government to roll back regulations that's also good at keeping scandals quiet coming up a look at wal-mart's big business blitz. and putting...
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>> reporter: fox news has learned that the cia as well as other intelligence agencies have been working with libyan militias after it was claimed qaddafi's program was not shut do i know idown in 2004. u.s. officials are insisted there's quote, no quid pro quo on the search, including the movement of weapons. tonight the cia had no public comment on fox's reporting. >> shepard: thanks very much. >>> an enormously popular mexican american singer and reality star now confirmed dead after a plane crash. investigators say jenni rivera was among the passengers on a private leer jet that slammed into the ground shortly after taking off in northern mexico. rivera's brother said there's almost nothing left of that plane. >> the plane is totaled. nobody inside survived. the bodies are unrecognizable according to what they're telling us. monterey officials are saying that they need at least a couple of time, a couple of days to be able to bring the bodies from the wilderness. it's out in the middle of nowhere. >> shepard: somebody took a photo of what appears to be jenni rivera's driver's license
>> reporter: fox news has learned that the cia as well as other intelligence agencies have been working with libyan militias after it was claimed qaddafi's program was not shut do i know idown in 2004. u.s. officials are insisted there's quote, no quid pro quo on the search, including the movement of weapons. tonight the cia had no public comment on fox's reporting. >> shepard: thanks very much. >>> an enormously popular mexican american singer and reality star now...
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. >> rose: it's a driven cia person. >> i haven't seen the show but my understanding of it is that's it's based on an israeli. so this is a true story. >> rose: yes. >> i suppose it's an interesting coincidence. >> rose: tell me about casting beyond jessica. you were looking for? >> great actress. great actress. >> rose: did you want people that were not necessarily well-known as actors. >> i did. >> rose: why? >> well, first of all i was looking for actor that had a significant body of work, that's really substantive actors but perhaps were not yet household names. i think especially when you're dealing as mark said it's a true story when you're dealing with characters that are meant to be true, meant to be true to life, you want to have an original relationship with them. you don't want to kind of have to sort of be watching them and sort of scrubbing past performances or past characters away so you can have sort of a clean true line to them. and i think, and it's an opportunity to work with these, even you know just extraordinary talents like jason clark, mark strong, edgar ramire
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sillou says he was interviewed by the cia when he left syria. now, he's pleading for the u.s. to give him money and weapons so that he can lead a brigade of fighters back into syria and secure those sites. diane? >> thank you so much, alex. >>> now, we want to tell you the late news about a record fine against a prominent bank, after a startling series of charges. the british banking giant hsbc, about to pay big time. after allegations of money laundering, linked to iran and mexican drug cartels. "the new york times" reports a record settlement. $1.9 billion to be announced tomorrow. >>> and now, a storm blasting the upper midwest of the united states. what a difference a week makes. it was a mild 62 degrees in minneapolis last week, and now a massive storm has dumped nearly 16 inches in the twin cities. more snow in one day than they expect in a month. it was a slippery, sliding mess on the roads. hundreds of snow-related car wrecks across both minnesota and wisconsin. >>> and now, the news of the shocking death of a rising star in latin america, just about to receive her dre
sillou says he was interviewed by the cia when he left syria. now, he's pleading for the u.s. to give him money and weapons so that he can lead a brigade of fighters back into syria and secure those sites. diane? >> thank you so much, alex. >>> now, we want to tell you the late news about a record fine against a prominent bank, after a startling series of charges. the british banking giant hsbc, about to pay big time. after allegations of money laundering, linked to iran and...
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people outside the cia. and, you know, we invite people to bring it up. that may be what you have to do in order to get these people and bring them to justice. i would rather have that in u.s. hands and have a u.s. court decide. >> host: abcaeight. jim in indiana. >> caller: i think that george washington summed it up best when he said keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries wars and squabbles. eisenhower, a wild eyed radical liberal warned that the military industrial complex would bankrupt america. that and whatever happened to our judeo-christian ethics in our nation. how did we ever get so militarized? >> guest: the biggest change in american foreign policy probably since the republic was founded was the creation of nato in 1947. the creation of nato in 1947 was a point in time and the united states said it would come in fact engage in an entangling alliance with other countries' international interest. the previous hundred and 65 years of american history it avoided those kinds of commitments. you can make your own judgment about
people outside the cia. and, you know, we invite people to bring it up. that may be what you have to do in order to get these people and bring them to justice. i would rather have that in u.s. hands and have a u.s. court decide. >> host: abcaeight. jim in indiana. >> caller: i think that george washington summed it up best when he said keep strong american borders and stay out of other countries wars and squabbles. eisenhower, a wild eyed radical liberal warned that the military...
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pakistanis killed in the attacks since 2009, and we know thanks to bob's recent book that when the cia brought the idea of this -- these drones, and he was recorded to have said kill the seniors, you americans worry about collateral damage and don't worry about things like that. of this is the first time in our young history we allowed foreign power to kill our citizens, for free, for nothing. at the same time, there's amazing initiative that come into place since the government has taken power so in 2009, last summer, we had the prevention of electronic crimes act, which applies to anyone of any nationality across pakistan, and carries jail sentences so if you have an e-mail address not registered in your fall name, that's a jail sentence of six months. if you are found guilty of spoofing or character assassinating the president, that's three years to 13 years. what constitutes that? is it a blog post? that's unclear. you also have this incredibly inept and criminal way the government has handled the floods. while the floods raged, they embarked on a pr join to the cross, dubai, franc
pakistanis killed in the attacks since 2009, and we know thanks to bob's recent book that when the cia brought the idea of this -- these drones, and he was recorded to have said kill the seniors, you americans worry about collateral damage and don't worry about things like that. of this is the first time in our young history we allowed foreign power to kill our citizens, for free, for nothing. at the same time, there's amazing initiative that come into place since the government has taken power...
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know when i first read about this was you know who is this actually geared to i know according to the cia thirty six percent of the afghan population lives below the poverty line so who would be you know the intended customer base. well i think there's obviously there's a very small and certain you know urban customer base probably mostly centered around kabul wherever you go there are you know some people that have some means and some money and this is who would speak to i mean ironically you know there's there's reporting back during the you know in the eighty's late seventy's during the soviet occupation of afghanistan that there were shops where you could get much better consumer goods and you know who had who had access to it at the time were a leader afghans and also certain higher level soviet troops so potentially will we will be replicating a situation which is you know somewhat similar to yes certainly just an interesting story one we sort of wanted to bring out to the forefront connects them dots make people aware of it michael brooks producer for the majority report thanks so
know when i first read about this was you know who is this actually geared to i know according to the cia thirty six percent of the afghan population lives below the poverty line so who would be you know the intended customer base. well i think there's obviously there's a very small and certain you know urban customer base probably mostly centered around kabul wherever you go there are you know some people that have some means and some money and this is who would speak to i mean ironically you...